also see: Opposition Leader sides with antigay groups on Referendum on The Buggery Law
Holness and Simpson Miller December 2011 after the leadership debate
Holness said in part while on his feet on April 25th 2014 in parliament said “ ..... there is great uncertainty in the LGBT community and ordinary Jamaicans alike about your promise to review the buggery act, the issue is very sensitive of course but I know you will agree that more and more Jamaicans are generally discussing the matter; discussing the issue; and I think Mr Speaker to need to finally bring some certainty to it would be to put it to the people.” He also lumped the CCJ, the decriminalization of marijuana and the queen as head of sate but do so during the due local government elections sometime next year.
What has bothered me since the news broke was that use of the word “repeal” by Mr Holness, other speakers and public commentators when the main lobbyists JFLAG had tried to make their call one of decriminalization instead of a repeal and an amendment to that act while separating bestiality with emphasis on consent and clarifying rape when said consent is absent but too little too late as far as I am concerned when it was suggested as far as 1998 the year of their inception when the original parliamentary submission by some of the working operatives JFLAG’s own management committee or some powerful voices therein refused to budge and now when it matters in as far as specifics there is a mismatch as to what the lobby actually wants. Sadly it took the J some thirteen years to finally see the inevitable but who is listening or paying attention when a repeal is still on the minds of the voices in opposition. I had since known that a repeal was not on the cards after the strident opposition from the LCF at the time in parliament in swaying the joint select committee and the subsequent Charter of Rights sessions as well based on the report that followed. If the perception that it is a full repeal that is on the cards when that too is an impossibility of sorts as it has been perceived as an open door by some child rights activists for paedophiles to run roughshod.
also see: Holness Dithering On Homosexuality . from 2011
But oppositions when not in power tend to side on with ruling governments when it suits them let us not forget that the same Portia Simpson Miller led party sided with the then Jamaica Labour Party administration (Andrew Holness as deputy leader) headed by Bruce Golding during the Charter of Rights debate when the invented gay marriage debate was used to deny the inclusion of discrimination linked to sexual orientation in the document Portia then on her feet in the house said:
October 20th 2009 - "Mr Speaker when we accepted the final report from the joint select committee that were looking at the bill we were completely satisfied with their recommendation of a provision to restrict marriage and like relationships to one man and one woman within Jamaica and that the provision should be specifically spelt out so that there could be no ambiguity .......... yes one man one woman (laughter in the house) and if you are Jamaican and go overseas the same applies ..........."
also see: Opposition sides with Govt on No to same sex marriage (2009 post when the PNP was in opposition) and the press release they put out to try to calm tensions then
also see some previous related entries:
PNP’s Bobby Pickersgill differs on Conscience Vote route to decide on Buggery Law
PNP's Damion Crawford says it's highly unlikely buggery review will happen ........ it's not important now
PNP Wins ................Hope for LGBT People ??
The Line in The Sand for The JLP part 13 - the ascention but the question:Will Holness be a pro-rights PM?
Foreign Affairs Minister says Govt should be cautious on gay rights issues in Jamaica
On Buggery and gays in cabinets with politics ............ some responses ......
Milk River PNP Councillor says no to buggery repeal ..
J-FLAG Disappointed With PM's Unfulfilled Promise, Though She Remains Best Hope
PNP: No election money from gay groups ....
‘Idiot plan that!’ - Many Jamaicans against Buggery Law review .
The Pink Report on JFLAG's handling of the Charter of Rights issue
PNP 2006, No plans to Legalise Same Sex Union (FLASHBACK)
No Same Sex Marriage says Prime Minister in Charter of Rights Bill Debate (Bruce Golding)
Church angry, gays happy PNP on collision course with Christians ………………. but some of us are not impressed
President of the Senate warns against discrimination based on language, sexual orientation
Mark Wignall ....... Gay Lobby will wait in vain
NOT READY FOR GAYS ……. GAY MARRIAGE SMOKE SCREEN REINTRODUCED ……………. POLITICAL DODGING 2011
BUGGERY LAW BACKLASH – BLAIR: THE CHURCH HAS BEEN SLEEPING – BLAIR WARNS REVIEW COULD LEAD TO SAME-SEX MARRIAGES 2011
What has bothered me since the news broke was that use of the word “repeal” by Mr Holness, other speakers and public commentators when the main lobbyists JFLAG had tried to make their call one of decriminalization instead of a repeal and an amendment to that act while separating bestiality with emphasis on consent and clarifying rape when said consent is absent but too little too late as far as I am concerned when it was suggested as far as 1998 the year of their inception when the original parliamentary submission by some of the working operatives JFLAG’s own management committee or some powerful voices therein refused to budge and now when it matters in as far as specifics there is a mismatch as to what the lobby actually wants. Sadly it took the J some thirteen years to finally see the inevitable but who is listening or paying attention when a repeal is still on the minds of the voices in opposition. I had since known that a repeal was not on the cards after the strident opposition from the LCF at the time in parliament in swaying the joint select committee and the subsequent Charter of Rights sessions as well based on the report that followed. If the perception that it is a full repeal that is on the cards when that too is an impossibility of sorts as it has been perceived as an open door by some child rights activists for paedophiles to run roughshod.
The afternoon of that call in parliament for the referendum in a shortened interview Andrew Holness on radio Jamaica’s Beyond the Headlines with host Dionne Jackson Miller when she asked him about the party’s position on the matter he dithered for several minutes in the exchange as if to suggest the Jamaica Labour Party, JLP has no position at this time; he kept saying the “repeal” of the buggery act. Dionne Jackson commented that it could not be a position where “I follow where all of you lead” to which Mr Holness responded “ .... that is not the case, the leadership that these are issues everyone in the public should have a say on it in other words if you were to extend that argument why have referendums?” however Mr Holness seems to have convenient amnesia here as the JLP is quite clear on the CCJ but as to the buggery issue they seem clouded. When asked whether that is a cowardly way of dealing with the matter he responded “I disagree with you that there should be no reference to the people .....” but the host reminded him that they are two different things and that the party can have a position whilst putting it to the people none the less.
Now to the present position which seemed to have been a teeth pulling exercise as he was questioned by Cliff Hughes Mr Holness said "I don't use someone's sexuality to determine whether or not they should serve the public, that's not how I have operated, I don't discriminate against people, I've been on the end of discrimination and so I don't discriminate; no matter my personal views may be there is a public space and the public space must guarantee everyone protection and the ability to fulfil their dreams and aspirations."
Nice words for public relations but will this and indeed has this stance been shown in his party that he leads? I think not if those who fall under his supervision have repeatedly shown their homo-negative hands just take into account the position taken by Daryl Vaz MP for West Portland just days after the leadership debate in December 2011 where he said among other things Vaz claimed the people of his West Portland constituency had already spoken on the matter.
"We don't buy number two inna Cash Pot," said Vaz, in a reference to the popular game of chance in which the number two is used by some persons to refer to homosexuals.
According to Vaz, while he was willing to participate in any debate on gay rights, his response is a foregone conclusion.
"God made Adam and Eve and not Adam and Steve," Vaz said as Labourites cheered and shouted anti-gay slurs at an outdoor meeting.
The issue of homosexuality has been on the JLP election platform even before it was raised as a question in the debate, in Gordon Town, St Andrew, days before, JLP deputy leader and the party's candidate for Western Kingston, Desmond McKenzie, declared "fire bun", following strains from the popular dancehall song which has a line "dem a par inna chi chi man car".
Also, at a recent meeting in St Elizabeth, persons on the JLP platform made reference to their love for "boonoonoonus" women, a claim that sparked a backlash from women's groups.
here is the video also with some of the unfortunate comments then:
Former JLP leader and then Prime Minister Bruce Golding had declared an in interview on the BBC that no gay men would be allowed to serve in his Cabinet. Holness then did not articulate a clear position when questioned on the issue but implied that he would not fly in the face of popular opinion opposed to gay rights. So what has prompted this new position I ask again.
"We don't buy number two inna Cash Pot," said Vaz, in a reference to the popular game of chance in which the number two is used by some persons to refer to homosexuals.
According to Vaz, while he was willing to participate in any debate on gay rights, his response is a foregone conclusion.
"God made Adam and Eve and not Adam and Steve," Vaz said as Labourites cheered and shouted anti-gay slurs at an outdoor meeting.
The issue of homosexuality has been on the JLP election platform even before it was raised as a question in the debate, in Gordon Town, St Andrew, days before, JLP deputy leader and the party's candidate for Western Kingston, Desmond McKenzie, declared "fire bun", following strains from the popular dancehall song which has a line "dem a par inna chi chi man car".
Also, at a recent meeting in St Elizabeth, persons on the JLP platform made reference to their love for "boonoonoonus" women, a claim that sparked a backlash from women's groups.
here is the video also with some of the unfortunate comments then:
Former JLP leader and then Prime Minister Bruce Golding had declared an in interview on the BBC that no gay men would be allowed to serve in his Cabinet. Holness then did not articulate a clear position when questioned on the issue but implied that he would not fly in the face of popular opinion opposed to gay rights. So what has prompted this new position I ask again.
also see: Holness Dithering On Homosexuality . from 2011
But oppositions when not in power tend to side on with ruling governments when it suits them let us not forget that the same Portia Simpson Miller led party sided with the then Jamaica Labour Party administration (Andrew Holness as deputy leader) headed by Bruce Golding during the Charter of Rights debate when the invented gay marriage debate was used to deny the inclusion of discrimination linked to sexual orientation in the document Portia then on her feet in the house said:
October 20th 2009 - "Mr Speaker when we accepted the final report from the joint select committee that were looking at the bill we were completely satisfied with their recommendation of a provision to restrict marriage and like relationships to one man and one woman within Jamaica and that the provision should be specifically spelt out so that there could be no ambiguity .......... yes one man one woman (laughter in the house) and if you are Jamaican and go overseas the same applies ..........."
also see: Opposition sides with Govt on No to same sex marriage (2009 post when the PNP was in opposition) and the press release they put out to try to calm tensions then
PNP’s Bobby Pickersgill differs on Conscience Vote route to decide on Buggery Law
PNP's Damion Crawford says it's highly unlikely buggery review will happen ........ it's not important now
PNP Wins ................Hope for LGBT People ??
The Line in The Sand for The JLP part 13 - the ascention but the question:Will Holness be a pro-rights PM?
Foreign Affairs Minister says Govt should be cautious on gay rights issues in Jamaica
On Buggery and gays in cabinets with politics ............ some responses ......
Milk River PNP Councillor says no to buggery repeal ..
J-FLAG Disappointed With PM's Unfulfilled Promise, Though She Remains Best Hope
PNP: No election money from gay groups ....
‘Idiot plan that!’ - Many Jamaicans against Buggery Law review .
The Pink Report on JFLAG's handling of the Charter of Rights issue
PNP 2006, No plans to Legalise Same Sex Union (FLASHBACK)
No Same Sex Marriage says Prime Minister in Charter of Rights Bill Debate (Bruce Golding)
Church angry, gays happy PNP on collision course with Christians ………………. but some of us are not impressed
President of the Senate warns against discrimination based on language, sexual orientation
Mark Wignall ....... Gay Lobby will wait in vain
NOT READY FOR GAYS ……. GAY MARRIAGE SMOKE SCREEN REINTRODUCED ……………. POLITICAL DODGING 2011
BUGGERY LAW BACKLASH – BLAIR: THE CHURCH HAS BEEN SLEEPING – BLAIR WARNS REVIEW COULD LEAD TO SAME-SEX MARRIAGES 2011
Well the bank tax furore is cooling but the present PNP is feeling the heat via the Paulwell EWI matter of which the administration has lost some face, will this work in the favour for a JLP is yet to be seen
here is Nationwide's report:
here is Nationwide's report:
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